tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post5659562254956860812..comments2023-11-02T06:28:23.104-07:00Comments on ... and now for something completely different.: Last Train to Nuremburg ...dbackdadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10700991588554336491noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-47797260291278351202010-01-03T00:04:14.760-08:002010-01-03T00:04:14.760-08:00Jonathan - Thanks so much for stopping by and for ...Jonathan - Thanks so much for stopping by and for the kind words. <br /><br />I've really gotten into Seeger in the last few years. My wife is a big Springsteen fan and we went to his tour with the Seeger Sessions band. They played a lot of songs popularized by Seeger and by other well-known folk artists like Woodie Guthrie.<br /><br />Seeger has an amazing ability to give voice to the downtrodden without being preachy and while still being entertaining. He is truly a national treasure that I think that a lot of people don't know about.<br /><br />I checked out your organization's website and I love the work that you guys are doing. Keep it up. I live in Glendale, AZ but get out to LA a couple of times a year because my wife has relatives in Manhattan Beach. I might have to stop by one of these times we are out there.<br /><br />Take care.dbackdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700991588554336491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-42165827380024268312010-01-02T21:56:02.876-08:002010-01-02T21:56:02.876-08:00Thank you for explaining "Last Train to Nurem...Thank you for explaining "Last Train to Nuremburg." I used to listen to Pete Seeger's "The World of Pete Seeger" when I was a child, and as a kid never understood that it was General Koster, not General Custer....anyway, it's one of the great underrated songs of his repertoire, and I found this blog in the process of trying to purchase the song (does anyone have a copy for sale?).<br /><br />Thank you for your progressive thinking. I actually think that the last frontier is Economic Justice, and as a rabbi, I am trying to get all clergy to stand with low wage workers...the issue is invisibility in our society and the damning impact of it on all of us.<br /><br />Blessings to all,<br />Rabbi Jonathan Klein<br />Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice, Los Angeles<br />jklein at cluela dot orgJonathan Kleinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-64603763992115945932009-06-29T17:08:48.061-07:002009-06-29T17:08:48.061-07:00I'm such a slacker. I had the house to myself...I'm such a slacker. I had the house to myself for a week and a half and didn't do a single blog post. It just seemed like I was busy every day. <br /><br />I'm going to try and force myself to do a post a day for a week or so.dbackdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700991588554336491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-51319639014714674382009-06-29T13:44:45.891-07:002009-06-29T13:44:45.891-07:00Yes - that something is the psychological phenomen...Yes - that something is the psychological phenomena uncovered by these studies:<br /><br />1) The need to follow the social order. We are herd animals.<br /><br />2) That when you place responsibility on someone else, people do bad things. Diffusion of responsibility.<br /><br />3) Fear of retribution from authority figures if you don't comply. --> self preservationLaurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129109937230440481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-40209908902518011722009-06-23T22:37:34.306-07:002009-06-23T22:37:34.306-07:00Sadie said: there is something far more disgusting...Sadie said: there is something far more disgusting and evil going on behind the scenes<br /><br />Such as?CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-37563820081361584092009-06-23T15:16:47.165-07:002009-06-23T15:16:47.165-07:00"Believe me - everyone in this study said the..."Believe me - everyone in this study said the same things Sadie just said - that there's no way they'd do something to hurt another person just because they were told to... but they did."<br /><br />You can't tell a mentally healthy individual to kill a child and expect them to do it-even if this person tells the healthy person "it's OK". I'm sorry--there's something more to it--there is something far more disgusting and evil going on behind the scenes.Sadie Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07362158642491145353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-58612268114612188752009-06-21T08:01:51.308-07:002009-06-21T08:01:51.308-07:00It's not the evil, it's the banality.It's not the evil, it's the banality.shrimplatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08347542266047278227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-47889969241930174422009-06-18T06:38:33.782-07:002009-06-18T06:38:33.782-07:00There might be a video available at a local colleg...There might be a video available at a local college library, or even the public library. I highly recommend watching it. It's far more complex an issue than simply "doing what you're told". Believe me - everyone in this study said the same things Sadie just said - that there's no way they'd do something to hurt another person just because they were told to... but they did.<br /><br />http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Original-Milgram-Experiment-1961 here's a partial video. Seriously - look for it. It's fascinating and horrifying at the same time.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129109937230440481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-75945972946260623742009-06-17T22:38:30.878-07:002009-06-17T22:38:30.878-07:00Sadie said: You can't even get a handful of em...Sadie said: You can't even get a handful of employees to do what the boss says half of the time--this is some other evil at work.<br /><br />Oh, I think that people are quite capable of this kind of 'evil' on their own. We don't need to invent any supernatural bad-guy to take away our responsibility for our *long* history of atrocity.CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-1574045022605667342009-06-17T14:43:10.196-07:002009-06-17T14:43:10.196-07:00Man's inhumanity to Man is such a disappointme...Man's inhumanity to Man is such a disappointment.<br />Then, to add insult to injury, man will shift personal responsibility to someone else to avoid blame and ease their conscience.<br />This post was stomach turning. I saw the picture you used to go with it and I'm thinking, "Is that a baby? Am I seeing a baby?"<br />*shudder*<br />How can we do this to ourselves?<br />What is going through a person's mind when they are killing women, infants, children, innocent, unarmed civilians? I don't know--I really don't know how's it's possible?<br />Because someone told me to? Some authority said it was OK?<br />No way--that does not explain it. You can't even get a handful of employees to do what the boss says half of the time--this is some other evil at work.Sadie Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07362158642491145353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-58106178199989495492009-06-16T20:19:21.417-07:002009-06-16T20:19:21.417-07:00Thanks Scott. I always love your input ... and yo...Thanks Scott. I always love your input ... and your posts.<br /><br />I just don't have the ambition or time to get "unlazy", as you say, and do these types of posts more often.dbackdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700991588554336491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-22282726516053811202009-06-16T19:44:27.345-07:002009-06-16T19:44:27.345-07:00You know Lance, there's a lot I'd like to ...You know Lance, there's a lot I'd like to say on this and maybe sometime over the next couple of days I'll get un-lazy enough to do it, but just in case let me say for sure that this is an awesome post. One that so few people would truly understand.<br /><br />Well done.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748025048481866622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-88326066650035237982009-06-15T19:02:56.311-07:002009-06-15T19:02:56.311-07:00Wow. I've never seen video of it. And you...Wow. I've never seen video of it. And you're right ... it is a very important distinction that it was "perceived authority" that they responded to.<br /><br />Like I've always said, I believe that people are inherently good, but it's an irrational thought (or hope) not necessarily based on fact. Perhaps, we're not inherently good or bad ... we're just inherently "human", and will revert to instinctual actions that have benefited us evolution-wise in the past.dbackdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700991588554336491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10882105.post-46005168654863667342009-06-15T06:36:11.376-07:002009-06-15T06:36:11.376-07:00I've actually SEEN the Milgram study videos an...I've actually SEEN the Milgram study videos and it's horrifying to see men, women, young, old, all races, all religions - simply did what they were told. Some needed more pushing than others - but almost all submitted completely to perceived authority. Remember that concept too - PERCEIVED authority. This was some schlep paying them to participate in a voluntary study - not even a real authority figure. Now imagine the Military - where you're systematically stripped of your identity in order to make you submit completely to your commanding officers.<br /><br />Horrifying as all this is - I am still surprised at the surprise most people have when things like this happen. I'd like to think it's not human nature - but most of me things if it happens this often, in so many circumstances, that it must (at least in part) be.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129109937230440481noreply@blogger.com