Friday, February 20, 2009

The Scourge of Modern Civilization

  • they are like Muslim terrorists

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  • "... the greatest threat to America going down."

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  • "They're mean. They want to talk about being nice. They're the meanest buggers I have ever seen."

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  • "What is the morals of a ____ person? You can't answer that because anything goes. So now you're moving toward a society that has no morals"

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  • they are trying to get into our schools and indoctrinate our children

Bar your doors!! Head to the bomb shelters! Be very afraid because they are apparently some pretty bad dudes. Where can you find them? In our schools ... in our workplaces ... in our families. Who are these people? They are us. They are not some fringe group hell-bent on destroying us. They are not any more immoral than the rest of us.

They are gays. And if Utah State Senator Chris Buttars is to be believed, they are a bigger concern than the economy or global terrorism. It would be comforting to say he's just some wack-a-doodle that doesn't represent a larger portion of the population. But that would be a lie. His views are very representative of a large portion of the state of Utah and of the Mormon Church. A chuch that was tacitly encouraging it's members to fund the anti-gay Proposition 8 in California. A church that just recently admitted an even larger role in Proposition 8:

The Mormon church has revealed in a campaign filing that the church spent nearly $190,000 to help pass Proposition 8, the November ballot measure that banned gay marriage in California.

The disclosure comes amid an investigation by the state's campaign watchdog agency into whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints violated state laws by not fully disclosing its involvement during the campaign.

While many church members had donated directly to the Yes on 8 campaign – some estimates of Mormon giving range as high as $20 million – the church itself had previously reported little direct campaign activity.

But in the filing made Friday, the Mormon church reported thousands in travel expenses, such as airline tickets, hotel rooms and car rentals for the campaign. The church also reported $96,849.31 worth of "compensated staff time" – hours that church employees spent working to pass the same-sex marriage ban.

I'm sick of the purveyors of intolerance using the crutch of accusing their accusers of religious intolerance. It's akin to the KKK getting upset if we call them on their racism. Ignorance given credibility by a large church is still ignorance. And I'm sick of a federal government that ignores the separation of church and state and that doesn't threaten churches like this with the taking away of their tax-exempt status. They are certainly allowed to have their views, but let's see how freely they would use their money to influence legislation if they had to pay taxes like the rest of us.

"The Bible itself is intolerant, and true followers of God's word should be as well." -- Bob Jones III, president of Bob Jones University

"Don't get so tolerant that you tolerate intolerance." -- Bill Maher, from his one-person show Victory Begins At Home


Fitz said...

"Marriage is neither a conservative nor a liberal issue; it is a universal human institution, guaranteeing children fathers, and pointing men and women toward a special kind of socially as well as personally fruitful sexual relationship. Gay marriage is the final step down a long road America has already traveled toward deinstitutionalizing, denuding and privatizing marriage. It would set in legal stone some of the most destructive ideas of the sexual revolution: There are no differences between men and women that matter, marriage has nothing to do with procreation, children do not really need mothers and fathers, the diverse family forms adults choose are all equally good for children. What happens in my heart is that I know the difference. Don't confuse my people, who have been the victims of deliberate family destruction, by giving them another definition of marriage."

Walter Fauntroy-Former DC Delegate to Congress Founding member of the Congressional Black CaucusCoordinator for Martin Luther King, Jr.'s march on DC

dbackdad said...

Fitz - Thanks for visiting. Do you have any personal views on the subject or are we just going to quote others?

While Mr. Fauntroy has been an admirable leader in the civil rights field, his views on gay rights cannot be forgiven.

He, and I assume you (since you are quoting him), falsely equate homosexuality with the "sexual revolution". Your sexual orientation is not a choice. You are not merely trying to "define" marriage, you are trying to take away the right for consenting people to live as they were born. Children truly do not need a mother and a father. They need parents that love them and that do not inculcate them with bigotry.

And to give your views the religious stamp of approval is laughable. The definition of marriage by different religions and throughout history has been a moving target.

Your church, the Catholic Church, encourages Catholics to only marry Catholics. Your church can refuse to marry people that either cannot or do not want to have children.

And why do you even care what the legal defintion of marriage is? Your church believes that "neither church nor state can alter the basic meaning and structure of marriage". Yet with laws like Proposition 8, you are trying to do just that. You are trying to force a Catholic definition of marriage on to all religions and otherwise that may not have the same view.

great white bear said...

Some people have an irrational fear of change (We call them conservatives)....

people feared giving women equal rights, but the country is better for it.

people feared giving blacks equal rights, but the country is better for it.

and when we give gays and lesbians equal rights.... we will be better for that too!

Great White Bear said...

okay, I am impatiently waiting to see your Oscar thoughts!

I eventually saw all the best picture nominees except "The Wrestler" My thought.... Clint Eastwood got jobbed! Gran Torino was easily better than any of the nominated films, and Changeling was better than all but Frost/Nixon.

And Frank Langella's Nixon was better than Penn's Milk!

dbackdad said...

GWB - Your comment about fear is spot on.

I'm going to post something on the Oscars tonight.

Sadie Lou said...

""Don't get so tolerant that you tolerate intolerance." -- Bill Maher, from his one-person show Victory Begins At Home

That is hilarious because Bill is soooo tolerant of Christians.
*rolling my eyes*

dbackdad said...

But they're such pretty eyes. :-)